Spiritual Traditions of the Andes, Interview with Doris Rivera Lenz - Part 1

Doris has lived in Cusco for many years conductingtheir feelings, suffer from throat problems and so on.
ofrendas and reading coca leaves for dozens ofSo how do we heal them? First we need to look at
people every week - both local as well as from farthem through the coca leaves, to know what has
flung places.happened. Why are they resentful, fearful or
Millions of Indians have chewed coca on a daily basisanxious? What is causing their problems? Difficulties
for many hundreds of years, yet never has a plantexisting outside our bodies, such as a theft,
been so misrepresented and its use so controlled bydisillusionment, or being lied to, affect us because we
prejudice and ignorance, including up to the presentare predisposed to have this pain. Such people get ill
day. The Conquistadors considered it an idle andbecause they are not in equilibrium with themselves.
offensive habit to be prohibited, but it was soonThe coca shows when and how this began, it tells
seen that the Indians could not work without cocathe story of how they got ill.
even when forced to do so.Is there a difference between the kind of condition
Chewing coca has continued to be a custom notwhich develops over a long period of negativity, like
because it is a 'habit drug', but because it is a part ofcancer, and a disease which you can catch from
Andean culture which, most importantly, knows howsomeone very quickly? The first seems to be
to make work a sacred activity. The Indians chewcreated by oneself, the latter is biological.
coca just as they do everything else, veryHuman beings are always predisposed by their
deliberately and systematically. A mouthful of leavesattitudes, this is why you need to know their story.
is carefully chosen from an exquisitely woven cocaSomeone who has a superiority complex or is
bag or chuspa. Llipta, or lime, is intermixed with theaggressive and violent is on a downward spiral, they
leaves while chewing to liberate the activeare weakened in their heart, stomach, and solar
ingredients.plexus: the ñawi or naira (equivalent to chacra)
The Incas regarded coca as 'the divine plant' mainlywhere emotional attitudes are held. So for example,
because of its property of imparting endurance,you eat a dirty apple, and immediately you are ill.
nevertheless its use was entwined with every aspectA person who harbours feeling of hate may feel
of life; the art, mythology, culture and economy ofperfectly well for a time but problems with their
the Andean civilisations, including the Inca Empire.children, their husband, or lack of money, intensify
Even today, distances are measured in 'cocadas' -their emotions which degenerate their body on a
how far an Indian carries his load under the stimuluscellular level. So they create their illness because they
of one chew of coca. But the ceremony which bringswere already out of equilibrium. This is why two
out the essentially shamanistic dimension is the mesa,people might eat the same apple but only one falls
and this unites the whole community.prey to the illness.
The mesa may begin with discussion of pressingCan you explain the Andean concept of the Hindu
social and political issues, this too, is accompanied byword chacra?
ritual coca chewing. Later offerings are made forThe nearest word in Quechua is ñawi, or in
Pachamama or Mother Earth. In some places theAymara, naira, and it means 'eye' or energy centre of
mesa can also be an all night session, held secretlythe body, but curiously chacra is a very common
indoors. After this, divination with coca leaves isword in Peru, and is Quechua for piece of cultivated
performed on a specially woven cloth. In the Andeanland or field. I believe it has the same linguistic root as
world there is no split between the spiritual andthe Hindu chacra. Just as some fields have lots of
practical sides of life. Their concept of health is muchstones, and others are very fertile, so our bodies,
more holistic and ecological than ours; it meansalso part of nature, are similar.
keeping the balance between the individual, hisIn the Andes, people will frequently consider an
community and the environment.aching stomach to have been caused by sorrow.
A harmonious individual is happy and healthy and canLess than a generation ago, people would make
work hard so there is abundance for the community.offerings, before preparing their fields for sowing.
A happy and healthy community without internalThey would chew coca leaves, drink chicha or maize
conflicts, can care for the children who do notbeer, and even play music - a whole ceremony. The
produce. A willingness to do community work meansancient healers or shamans would give floral or
that terraces and irrigations systems are maintained,smoke baths to people, curing them of illnesses,
while storing seed crops for the next year and otherfright and so on - the 'health' of the land and the
community efforts make the environment healthy.people were treated as though interrelated.
What is your understanding of divination?When they remove weeds from their chacra, they
It is meeting with the spirit of the element that yousee it as removing negative emotions from their
are working with, whether it is coca, tarot cards,person. So they identify themselves with their fields
maize or a mountain. In the case of coca, you meetand with nature, a little like Feng Shui: you feel better
the mother spirit, soul or power of the plant, which isafter you have had a Hoover up at home! When you
the sacred part which never dies.are feeling desperate, the people of the Andes will
The practitioner must be in total communication:benefit from going to a wild place or some ruins to
spirit-to-spirit. It is more like listening to the cocascream and shout so that even the mountains will
leaves than reading them. It is a higher state ofhear. You align with natural forces, this puts you back
consciousness. You have to be prepared to integrateinto equilibrium.
yourself spiritually to help another spirit.Soul retrieval can be found in many parts of the
Human beings are sacred cosmic seeds in evolution.world. How do they deal with it in the Andes?
The coca is a sacred seed like us, only of theWhen a child falls suddenly, its soul can leave its body
vegetable kingdom. As with ayahuasca, wilka, or Sanand it may get ill. If this happens, an offering is made
Pedro, they have been created by mother earth toin the place of the fall, to heal the child.
guide and heal their younger brothers: ourselves.There are many ways to 'call the soul'. You can get
Similarly we have been created to help other people.hold of a piece of the person's clothing and make a
As we become more open we discover plants likelittle doll and decorate it with flowers or whatever
coca, for example. Not everybody sees the spirit ofthe person likes, and you call his soul in the place
coca, ayahuasca, or San Pedro, but they are here towhere the fright took place. You can call up elements
help us.like herbs, a dove's nest, rabbits' droppings, feathers,
What is your understanding of the cause of disease,tobacco, coca, or whatever.
and how is it cured?Before any session, first you must ask permission
Illnesses do not exist, we create them with ourfrom Pachamama, or Mother Earth.
minds according to our attitudes and the things weWhat if there is no fixed place where the problem
do... our karma. Resentment for example, causesbegan, eg. when someone has been oppressed by
cancer, a woman whose ovaries are unwell may besomeone?
resentful of being a woman and suffers trauma.It doesn't matter, you go to the highest mountain or
People who do not have the freedom to expressnear to a river.